Church and Main
Church and Main is a podcast at the intersection of faith and modern life. Join Pastor Dennis Sanders as he shares the stories of faith interacting with the ever-changing world of the 21st century.
Church and Main is a podcast at the intersection of faith and modern life. Join Pastor Dennis Sanders as he shares the stories of faith interacting with the ever-changing world of the 21st century.
Episodes

Tuesday Jul 04, 2023
Tuesday Jul 04, 2023
In this episode, I chat with Loren Richmond Jr. host of the Future Christian Podcast about some of the major news taking place in June including Sports and Pride Month, Race Relations and DEI and the Southern Baptist Convention kicking out churches for allowing women pastors.Future Christian Podcast (Loren’s Podcast)Forgiveness In Black and White (Article by me on race relations)Leave a One-Time Donation: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/dennislsandersTwitter: https://twitter.com/churchandmainFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/churchandmainWebsite: https://churchandmain.org/YouTube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4CzMELfEV0oUYfbjdhdjqgrT3w8fHgljThis podcast is a labor of love. It’s free to everyone, but there are costs associated with making this podcast available. Would you consider becoming a paid subscriber? It’s $5/month or $60/year. Thanks! Get full access to Church and Main at churchandmain.substack.com/subscribe

Tuesday Jun 27, 2023
Second Thoughts on the Second Coming with Robert Cornwall | Episode 148
Tuesday Jun 27, 2023
Tuesday Jun 27, 2023
The Second Coming. Armageddon. The End Times. Since its beginning at Pentecost, Christians have long wondered if and when Christ would return as promised in the Bible. Books and movies have all wondered: when is Jesus coming back?But what are Christians to think about all of this, especially Mainline Protestants? Some are dismissive, but many people just have nothing to say.In this episode, I chat with Pastor Robert Cornwall, who along with theologian Ronald Allen wrote Second Thoughts About the Second Coming: Understanding the End Times, Our Future and Christian Hope. We talk about why it matters that Christians think about the End and what all of this means for our own faith.Show Notes:Second Thoughts on the Second Coming BookRobert Cornwall’s Bio on AmazonPonderings on a Faith Journey (Bob’s Blog)Make a Donation: https://donorbox.org/support-church-and-mainTwitter: https://twitter.com/churchandmainFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/churchandmainWebsite: https://churchandmain.org/YouTube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4CzMELfEV0oUYfbjdhdjqgrT3w8fHgljThis podcast is a labor of love. It’s free to everyone, but there are costs associated with making this podcast available. Would you consider becoming a paid subscriber? It’s $5/month or $60/year. Thanks!Get full access to Church and Main at churchandmain.substack.com/subscribe

Saturday Jun 24, 2023
Episode 147: Happy Pride!
Saturday Jun 24, 2023
Saturday Jun 24, 2023
There is a slew of new interviews coming down the pike, but in the meantime, I want to share this episode as LGBTQ Pride Month comes to a close. What does Pride mean? Pride is considered one of the seven deadly sins, so what does it mean to be proud of being LGBTQ?In what was originally a Vespers video from 2022, I shared what I’ve learned and shared an encounter from my own life where God filled me with a sense of pride by knowing I was loved for who I was as a man.Interview episodes are coming this week. Stay tuned!Leave a One-Time Donation: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/dennislsandersTwitter: https://twitter.com/churchandmainFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/churchandmainWebsite: https://churchandmain.org/YouTube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4CzMELfEV0oUYfbjdhdjqgrT3w8fHgljThis podcast is a labor of love. It’s free to everyone, but there are costs associated with making this podcast available. Would you consider becoming a paid subscriber? It’s $5/month or $60/year. Thanks! Get full access to Church and Main at churchandmain.substack.com/subscribe

Tuesday Jun 06, 2023
The Spirit-Filled Institution with Juan Sarmiento | Episode 146
Tuesday Jun 06, 2023
Tuesday Jun 06, 2023
Mainline Protestant churches haven’t always done a good job of focusing on the role the Holy Spirit plays in the life of our churches and that’s a shame because the Holy Spirit is what makes church more than just a social club that meets on Sunday mornings. In this episode, I am honored to have Juan Sarmiento as my guest. A native of Venezuela and ordained in Brazil, Juan is the Executive Presbytery of the Presbytery of San Fernando, a Presbytery of the Presbyterian Church (USA) located in the Northwest of the Los Angeles metro area. We talk about the role of the Spirit in the life of the church, the new churches taking root in his Presbytery, and the importance of the church as an institution, especially in this time of polarization.What Does Denominational Decline Look Like?- by Ryan BurgeSan Fernando Presbytery websiteLeave a One-Time Donation: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/dennislsandersTwitter: https://twitter.com/churchandmainFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/churchandmainWebsite: https://churchandmain.org/YouTube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4CzMELfEV0oUYfbjdhdjqgrT3w8fHgljThis podcast is a labor of love. It’s free to everyone, but there are costs associated with making this podcast available. Would you consider becoming a paid subscriber? It’s $5/month or $60/year. Thanks! Get full access to Church and Main at churchandmain.substack.com/subscribe

Friday Jun 02, 2023
Episode 145: The Frustrations of a Small Church Pastor
Friday Jun 02, 2023
Friday Jun 02, 2023
Here is the second of two solo episodes out this week. Filmed last week at the end of a very strange day, Dennis reflects on being the pastor of a small church and why these churches matter, especially in Mainline Protestantism.A new interview episode should be available this coming Monday or Tuesday. Stay tuned!Why Small Churches Matter (original video version)At the Intersection Video SeriesLeave a One-Time Donation: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/dennislsandersTwitter: https://twitter.com/churchandmainFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/churchandmainWebsite: https://churchandmain.org/YouTube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4CzMELfEV0oUYfbjdhdjqgrT3w8fHgljThis podcast is a labor of love. It’s free to everyone, but there are costs associated with making this podcast available. Would you consider becoming a paid subscriber? It’s $5/month or $60/year. Thanks! Get full access to Church and Main at churchandmain.substack.com/subscribe

Tuesday May 30, 2023
Episode 144: How To Disagree and Still Be Friends
Tuesday May 30, 2023
Tuesday May 30, 2023
Hello, this is Dennis Sanders. I’ve been on a holding pattern with some potential guests. The interviews should be on the way soon, but in the meantime, I’m sharing the first of two videos I make for my weekly At the Intersection videos. In this first video, I talk about Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene who called for a "national divorce" a few months ago. I remember when two women showed a more excellent way to handle disagreements.How to Disagree and Still Be Friends- the videoAt the Intersection Video SeriesLeave a One-Time Donation: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/dennislsandersTwitter: https://twitter.com/churchandmainFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/churchandmainWebsite: https://churchandmain.org/YouTube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4CzMELfEV0oUYfbjdhdjqgrT3w8fHgljThis podcast is a labor of love. It’s free to everyone, but there are costs associated with making this podcast available. Would you consider becoming a paid subscriber? It’s $5/month or $60/year. Thanks! Get full access to Church and Main at churchandmain.substack.com/subscribe

Monday May 08, 2023
Giving Up the Stigma of Mental Illness with Seth Perry | Episode 143
Monday May 08, 2023
Monday May 08, 2023
In this episode, we talk with Pastor Seth Perry, the pastor of Elim Lutheran Church in Scandia, MN. During Lent when people give up certain things for the season, Seth is asking the church to “give up the stigma” of mental illness.Seth talks about living with bipolar disorder, the importance of being honest about mental illness in the church, and mental health care in the United States and his native Canada.Show notes:Giving Up the Stigma- local newspaper article on Seth’s journeySeth’s YouTube Channel Give Up the Stigma: Seth’s campaign to foster discussion of mental illness in the churchNAMI -National Alliance on Mental Illness websiteElim Lutheran Church websiteLeave a One-Time Donation: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/dennislsandersTwitter: https://twitter.com/churchandmainFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/churchandmainWebsite: https://churchandmain.org/YouTube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4CzMELfEV0oUYfbjdhdjqgrT3w8fHgljThis podcast is a labor of love. It’s free to everyone, but there are costs associated with making this podcast available. Would you consider becoming a paid subscriber? It’s $5/month or $60/year. Thanks! Get full access to Church and Main at churchandmain.substack.com/subscribe

Monday May 01, 2023
Church and the Crisis of Decline with Andrew Root | Episode 142
Monday May 01, 2023
Monday May 01, 2023
If you’re the pastor or leader of a mainline Protestant congregation you have heard about your declining congregation for years if not decades. You probably even lead a congregation that wonders if its best days are behind them.Denominations, specialists and others have some idea on how to help your congregation get back on the path towards growth. We want to try anything that can solve this crisis of decline.But what if the crisis is not about decline but about something deeper? What if it is a crisis not of decline, but of faith in the God who is God?Today, I talk with Dr. Andrew Root, the Carrie Olson Baalson Professor of Youth and Family Ministry at Luther Seminary in St. Paul, MN about churches in decline, the loss of life, and how revival can only come when we are open to the presence of God. Show notes:Andrew Root’s websiteChurch and the Crisis of Decline (the book we discussed)The Church After Innovation (his latest book)When Church Stops Working (upcoming book)When Church Stops Working PodcastEpisode 112 with Kara Root on SabbathTwitter: https://twitter.com/churchandmainFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/churchandmainWebsite: https://churchandmain.org/YouTube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4CzMELfEV0oUYfbjdhdjqgrT3w8fHgljThis podcast is a labor of love. It’s free to everyone, but there are costs associated with making this podcast available. Would you consider becoming a paid subscriber? It’s $5/month or $60/year. Thanks! Get full access to Church and Main at churchandmain.substack.com/subscribe

Thursday Apr 27, 2023
Episode 141: Ralph Yarl and the Erosion of Trust
Thursday Apr 27, 2023
Thursday Apr 27, 2023
A teenage African American boy is shot by an elderly man in Kansas City. Ralph Yarl went to the wrong house by mistake and was shot twice by an 84-year-old gentleman. Why did this happen? Was it gun violence? Racism? Pastor Dennis talks about the loss of trust in our society and how the church should respond.At the Intersection Video (the video this episode is based on)A Knock at the Door by Dennis SandersBowling in Fear by Brianne WolfTwitter: https://twitter.com/churchandmainFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/churchandmainWebsite: https://churchandmain.org/YouTube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4CzMELfEV0oUYfbjdhdjqgrT3w8fHglj Get full access to Church and Main at churchandmain.substack.com/subscribe

Sunday Apr 23, 2023
Beyond Colorblindness and Antiracism with George Yancey | Episode 140
Sunday Apr 23, 2023
Sunday Apr 23, 2023
Is racism intractable in American society? Or is racism just a thing of the past and we need to “get over” race? Colorblindness and antiracism are the leading ways of looking at race in America, but neither has been effective in addressing racial tensions in the United States. Colorblindness ignores the realities of race and in doing so ignores the history of injustice. Antiracism centers racial concerns to such an extent that it alienates people who need to be involved in the process.In this episode, sociologist George Yancey joins the podcast to talk about how colorblindness and antiracism fall short in tackling the issue of race and offers a third way- mutual accountability - as a way where we can move from racial division to racial reconciliation.Show notes:George Yancey’s websiteBeyond Racial Division bookTwitter: https://twitter.com/churchandmainFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/churchandmainWebsite:https://churchandmain.org/YouTube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4CzMELfEV0oUYfbjdhdjqgrT3w8fHgljThis podcast is a labor of love. It’s free to everyone, but there are costs associated with making this podcast available. Would you consider becoming a paid subscriber? It’s $5/month or $60/year. Thanks! Get full access to Church and Main at churchandmain.substack.com/subscribe










